Is it possible to define the widget type and range using smalltalk?

Question

Is this possible? Something like: 'hotvalueName' asHotValue widgetType: 'rotary' rangeMin: 0 rangeMax: 10 rangeStep: 0.

I know I can define widget types in the global map but I think it would be practical to use smallTalk too do it, especially for Sounds involving replication.

Thanks!

Answer 1

Yes! I love Kyma!

I found out today that you can use the MIDIMapper Prototype to pass a !HotValue a VCS range!

If you would like a !Speed control displayed as a fader with a range of -1 to 1 you put into the Map:

!Speed is: ((`Speed ) displayAs: #fader; min: -1 max: 1).

After a few checks i figured out this will not work if you generate your !HotValue in a Script right to the MIDIMapper. I also doesnot work anymore when i edited the range manualy in the VCS Editor.

 

Cheers

Christian

Comments

nice! thanks christian! too bad it doesn't work with a script..

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It would have been a nice workaround .. but maybe SSC has a better idea.
Sometimes those features are already there and i just don't know how to use it.

Most of the times i generate or "Build" my sounds with the help of a script at the right.

That is because with the help of smalltalk i can create complex structures with just some lines of code. I can write comments and have a big overview of all my !HotValues and ?GreenVariables.
I think it is a very transparent approach for bigger projects and for later use.

It would come in very handy if we could somehow declare the default VCS features of a Generated !HotValue in those scripts too. (including type, range, grid, affected by preset, affected by dice).

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me too, I tend to use scripts more and more, especially when heading for encapsulation I do nearly all the development using scripts. I agree with you about the overview, but most of the time when experimenting I don't want to put in every hotValue twice (once in the parameter as variable, once in the script). I think I asked that before, but is there a way to gather all hotValues of a Sound? or is there some workaround you can suggest?

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You can get a list of the EventValues in a Sound by selecting a Sound in the Sound Browser and looking in the Description area at the bottom of the Sound Browser, by hovering over a Sound in a Sound file window, or by selecting a Sound and choosing Get Info from the Info menu.

(This last option was temporarily broken in Kyma 7.04f1 or earlier.)

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Thanks for pointing that out again, nice feature!

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This is useful. You can then use a text editor with GREP to process the text and turn it quickly into a version for Scripted class development.

http://www.anybrowser.org/bbedit/grep.shtml
http://ryanstutorials.net/linuxtutorial/cheatsheetgrep.php

I use BBEdit to do that. It can transform the list of EventValues into the format of

HotValue: !HotValue

which you can then paste into your variable supplying script.

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Do you use "grep" on the Kyma Sound file?

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No. I copy the list of EventValues displayed in the SoundBrowser as SSC mentions above and then manipulate it in a text editor to quickly make a list that removes all the ! adds a : and then adds a copy of the EventValue with the ! appended. This quickly creates a list that you then paste into the Kyma script.

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Ahh. Thanks for clearing that up!
I was already wondering since the Kyma Sound files seem to have their own undocumented  proprietary format.

Of course it would be nice to get a parser to "batch process" Kyma Sound files with a Tool with some smallTalk code.
To change for example every !HotValue into a ?Variable and add a Script Prototype at the right which reflects those changes as an argument in the  start (HotValue: !HotValue) section of the new generated sound. ;-)
Maybe SSC can help us with a hint or two.
Best
Chris

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Thanks, Cristian, that seems like a nice workaround!
This kind of batch processing would be a great improvement!
Also I'm still interested on defining widget type and range using smalltalk ;)

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For some reason I couldn't find the "ask a related question" link earlier. Oops. Anyway, I've asked a related question here (https://kyma.symbolicsound.com/qa/3555/how-you-create-fader-labelled-with-changeable-list-filenames)

Answer 2

In relation to the comments thread -- here is an example of the Grep process I used in BBEdit.
The first step is to replace all the exclamation marks with nothing. Then use this Grep to create a list ready to paste into your Script which passes the hot values to the green Variables in the rest of the Sound. You would normally do this when developing a Sound for the Class builder. 

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